"Elder Scrolls should be Rebooted?" Folks asked, Ranty Discussion Ft. John Blood

Folks have been asking me this question for the last year or so, "Should the Elder Scrolls be Rebooted" so I thought I'd sit down with John Blood and talk about that https://www.twitch.tv/zhakaron this is before coffee so the results are about what is to be expected. Either way the chat was a lot more "Anti-Bethesda" than we were, believe it or not. I think it's important to make the distinction that every game was made by a different team, people come people go.
  • Advancedgod

    I love TES because of the messy lore. The Warp in the West is brilliant.

  • chris winter

    We need a video game that's on the level of Game of Thrones (the books).

  • TerashiOfSnagem

    1:02:16 The Elder Scrolls 6: Landfall.xD

  • Kar Bo

    Damn ... "If you can't make the gameplay loop fun you've failed as a game designer" . This kindof tells me that Skyrim at least for me is a monumental failure. Because when it came out i got bored of it in like 10 hours . Few months later had fun modding it and played for 20 more hours. After that came back to it 4 years later.Using whole bunch of combat mods and refusing to use ranged because it often encourages me to abuse navmesh i finally got the fun combat experience i always wanted out of Skyrim. The main problem for me was that the story didn't really entice me . The combat was very basic with not that many options. Treasure hunting in Skyrim or Oblivion in fact has always been very lackluster for me because of leveled lists and random loot generation. Level progression and perks weren't very interesting .I however completely agree about the untapped potential. Mods i could never play Skyrim without - tk dodge, wildcat one of my 3 favorite perk overhauls (Ordinator Requiem or PerkusMaximus) Dual wield parrying morrowloot Potion overhaul . Probably High level enemies as well.

  • GeConify

    They just need to make skyrim 3 already

  • TheShadowOfHumanity

    Unpopular opinion but I hate that merchants have very little gold in Skyrim and that money is limited. In Morrowind there was a merchant with 10k gold to barter with and in Oblivion though they only had like 2k theyd at least never run out so you could sell an infinite amount of cheap items. In a game I shouldn't have to travel to like 5 different merchants to sell off half the crap I found on giants corpses on my way to a quest so I either have to ignore loot like a mook or spend like 60% of the time trying to sell shit.

  • Der Schurkinist

    In Morrowind specific stuff simply matter. Having endurance, or using the birthsign of the steed or training in athletics.Or the pain of wearing heavy armor. There are several things I miss from Morrowind:The concept of armors: No armor, light, middle and heavy. And that it felt that different. Already with Oblivion wearing light or heavy armor felt insignifcant.The various weapon types. From shuriken, crossbows, spears and most of all: longswords, shortswords, daggers. And it's reflection in skills.Not just "One-handed weapons", but: Blunt weapons, Axes, Londswords, Shortswords, Archery, Hand to Hand, Shortswords. (and you could easily add more, yet most of them have been removed and more simplified into just 3 skills.)Or the magical skills. Especially mysticism and the complexity of spellcrafting and enchanting. (Being a powerful mage meant, you could create a goddamn fireball that could erase all denizens of a city from existence. Theoretically.)And of course, the necessity to actually read your journal entries. The conversation with npcs felt like they matter, as you could get valuable information from them. Or more, all quest-related information was of value, as without questmarker there was simply no other way to find your way.I remember a time, when I wandered around for (real) hours, as I mistook a dunmeri "sign post" (basically a pile of rocks) for a pile of rocks.And yet, that's not a negative memory of Morrowind, it's a positive.-I love Skyrim. I love Oblivion. But first, Morrowind means childhood memories for me. You can't win against such.Morrowind was and is in no way perfect. But as far as I can tell, it's still the best of all TES. Not in terms of graphics and animations. Morrowind is a child of its time. But in the way it felt.The different religious interests of several groups, the different houses. Yeah, all of that could have been wider and extended, but they had more depth than what we got later.(Except for the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild in Oblivion. Which I consider as one of the best and most interesting Questlines in TES)-Truth be said, I love Elder Scrolls for its lore. For its ingame history (even though it's inconsistend). And I am sure, that Elder Scrolls will endure. Not because of it being the best RPG or because it remains true to its story.No, it'll endure because of it's flexibility. As long as Elder Scrolls games can be modded the way they have been. As long as there are those passionate modders and modusers we will have a next TES.Because that is what Bethesda does good. Creating a game, where each and everyone can add her or his personal touch.

  • Metron455

    Something that beats Daggerfall? Not exactly but Elona.

  • Weird Adren

    I just love the moment when Zaric says: Shit pussy, has a comedic feel, yet it's just two insults mixed, amusing.

  • The Marine708

    You could look at it like each game is a story within an Elder Scroll. They are all possible realities, all possible choices, and ESO is the official timeline. None of the events from the first ten games have happened, but they can happen. Its still the second era, there is no Nevarine, no Hero of Kavatch, the last Dovakiin doesn't exist, they can exist, but it hasen't happened yet. Thats the best way I could think of things.

  • Brendon Parker

    I wouldn't mind remakes of the non Skyrim ESs

  • Horatio Nelson

    I would CHIM if when the next ES was announced, they also released a video retconning every major inconsistency with lore, removed dragonbreaks, brought back jungle Cyrodiil, and made Nords follow their true pantheon. Then, just before Todd "The God" Howard dropped the mic, he said, "c0da isn't canon."

  • chris winter

    Given how Bethesda Softworks/Zenimax has whored TES 5 I want a company fueled by passion not greed, to make a game in the traditions of TES

  • V M

    i don't agree that every entry in tes franchise should be taken separately. battlespire, redguard, legends (cards game), eso - yes. whole tes franchise - no, impossible.

  • Mary42877

    I just want a virtual world!! a simulator.

  • Das Admiral

    The series being rebooted has been in the lore itself. Before Talos the world worked in cycles, which you could view as a reboot in and of itself. So the series starting over would be just another kalpa. Granted, Talos kinda threw a wrench in that by his very existence acting as a sort of support for the "wheel" that is Nirn so it might not even be a thing that will happen in universe. I will admit that a lot of that is from out of game sources, though.

  • Matt Allen

    Short answer=noLong answer=fuck noCrazy thought, how about movies and games stop with the irritating reboot fetish going on?

  • dormdude

    I personally already think the elder scrolls already rebooted. Morrowind changed and rewrote so much of the lore that i consider morrowind and every game afterwards to be separate from every game before morrowind. I'm undecided if ESO should be part of that lore. I kinda consider eso something separate. so I really only consider morrowind, oblivion, and skyrim together. everyone has their own interpretation of the lore to make it work and that's mine.

  • Christopher Woodworth

    Also they should make the cities actually feel like cities. They should make an actual government in the cities. Stores, temples, trade, and so many other things and banks and mayors, regional rulers, actual towns, villages, giant abandoned cities with different things to explore and make these all fleshed out .Also there should be farms everywhere.

  • walnutt_

    Wouldn't it be fucking awesome if there was an Elder Scrolls x: Nirn?

  • Nope Grigsby

    I just clicked on this video to say, ABSOLUTELY FOCKIN NAUGHT

  • thewallofsleep

    Enjoyable discussion. I always enjoy your insights, Zaric, even if I don't share all the same opinions.

  • Darken De la Espada

    I have to disagree with the whole "power corrupts" cliche. That is simply a literary device which did not and does not have much historical merit when referring to leaders of nations. Many leaders have held great power and weren't the least shaken in their core ideals. Sure conquest is a dirty business but in history those unpleasant things were counterbalanced by things that were many times worse. As for why certain rulers like Tiber Septim can't be content with what they have? Simple if you have a nation the biggest threat to it and its people is any other nation and if you can you would neutralize that threat. Not to mention more land = more resources = more troops = greater stability = less likely for the empire to fall to threats foreign and domestic.

  • Włodzimierz Szyc

    I would trust lord Sheogorath more with doing a proper reboot than Bethesda...

  • slothkingn1

    The 'we built the systems now you build the world!' concept actually sounds pretty apealling to me but not as an Elder scrolls game. If it were another franchise which was like yo you're a warlord now build your kingdom from scratch not gonna lie I'd give it a try.

  • Mosin Nagant

    Isn't Morrowind just a big ol' lore friendly reboot?

  • Bjorn Zexi

    Everyones focused on the actual question, but no one comments on Zaric becoming more and more unhinged each episode. That Cookie Monster bit was almost surreal.

  • Braden Brecht

    I love skyrim and enjoy oblivion a lot as well. With that said, I wouldn't mind seeing aspects from the first three games brought back to expand the gameplay and lore.

  • ironside31

    The concept of rebooting one of the greatest rpg game lines is Blasphemy!!!! End of discussion thank you

  • madscientistshusta

    No landfall first!Jk lol

  • chris winter

    Skyrim is the first TES game I got into because of mods being brought to console. I love it but I do see massive amounts of potential for a TRUE role playing game where you essentially crate your own epic adventure.

  • domehammer

    Star Wars did a soft reboot and its been a utter disaster. Reboots are just awful.

  • OggyTheTiger

    TES community is a shit show of dividing opinions on how the game should be while the metal gear community in comparison are much more elitist on how the lore should be. I think that is something TES people need a perspective on while discussing canon lore and reboots

  • Faik Tagiev

    Finally someone who was not praising DAI.It was awful, DAO an DA2 was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better, you felt every moment of the game, so good it was.

  • David Walsh

    There will never be agreement about TES lore

  • Groovy Joe

    EverQuest was never like how you described it, Zaric. WoW started that trend.

  • Nicky Richtofen

    Most of the lore is open and not shut so you can enjoy it reading all the details of the past has always been a big interest of mine when bored. There is so much more and having to rebooted may fuck with that.

  • Carl Vitek

    Tes VI is gonna be mainly about settlement building I bet.

  • 2pro4u scrubz

    They should make the next TES fallout 4 but in tamriel.

  • V M

    also, peoples, stop picking on dragon break ffs... tes world is absolutely fantastic and magical through and through, just because you've attached to certain characters/endings of the past, a little bit of lore bending from the true devs side shouldn't be unwelcome. what we are going to question next? dwemer disappearance? pff...

  • Alexander Guerich

    Morrowind is the pinnacle of Elder Scrolls series. With the perfect balance of RPG and action, best writing, complex main story, political and religious setting as well as interesting lore. World is not too generic as in Daggerfall and not an amusement park like in Skyrim. Oblivion's Cyrodiil is too meh for me, although I enjoy the game. Hell, I enjoy all TES games, they are my favorite overal but Morrowind was just right, perfect in its imperfection.

  • HarmonySword

    Oblivion was the best game for me. Morrowwind may have launched the series, but it hasn't aged well and it's pretty Overrated. While Skyrim is missing that special something. Oblivion to me had the best story and overall system, even though it has its share of mistakes *cough*combat*cough*. And this is coming from a guy who has played all three games with mods. Come at me.

  • jefthereaper

    No, no damned reboots. They nearly always fail. Lets just sweep ESO under the rug.What they need to do is ajust the lore so it can explain contradictions from past games, and bring back all the past mechanics (as simplification sucks)

  • KenMogi

    The Elder Scrolls 6 Minecraft Edition

  • Dan Slash

    What does reboot mean in this sense?When you talk about movies, like rebooting Spider-Man you start the movie series from the first movie again, i.e Spider-Man's origin story.In this sense a reboot of Elder Scrolls would be a new Arena, which makes no sense to me.

  • Spencer Tolleson

    I love the discussion however we have to be fair. I think with the game engines that are being used to have realistic city sizes with interesting NPCs would be impossible. Witcher 3 did it because not every NPC was named. (Which is what I prefer.) I'd rather have large cities and a few notable people than the lifeless shells we get.

  • jacob biddinger

    These are the vids I sub for. :D

  • tpl

    This is why we need Necromancy

  • Christopher Woodworth

    What they need to do is get rid of dragon breaks and create an actual good story with characters that change

  • Muun Nuttall

    I think tes6 should just be a arena remake

  • Nasko K. Dimov

    What you guys said is absolutly right. But times change, sometimes people change too. No matter what The Elder Scrolls 6 turns out to be , i will like it because my expectations are SUPER LOW. I love fallout 4 bacause how it changed almost everything. Its not Fallout 3 or New Vegas and thats what i liked about it. Im hoping that TES6 does similar changes too. But ... if they do a power fantasy where you are a demigod again, they better do it properly this time because in Skyrim, it was only an illusion.

  • Enigma

    Can I get a Zaric response without typing out a paragraph?

  • Barokai Rein

    I honestly think that tes6 is either gonna be fucking horrible just like skyrim is without extensive modding or it's gonna be the best thing ever. There's only two options imo. Either way it will end up being good as long as it has good modding support like previous bethesda games do. Fallout 4 was fantaatic for 100 hours but it just slammed itself shut right after that 100h mark and all of the content just ended there. I do hope that tes6 is gonna be more like skyrim when it comes to content because it would be a shame to run out of shit to do in an elder scrolls game.

  • jake crowell

    Seems, there could be both an event changing progression to a story, and non matching multiplayer factors.The "phase" setter, would be the low level player. The higher level player, that has played through that content, would be "remembering an event" from their past. Until they both reach the same current event time frame.

  • How Big is the Map?

    If they'll reboot it, I hope they won't make the map of Daggerfall so big again :)

  • Keadin Mode

    For me Morrowind had a fair bit of tedium to it (the sneaking system for example), but Skyrim was streamlined to the point where it was just grossly simplified. I only ever play Skyrim anymore with a ton of mods, the vanilla version is just... not that great. Oblivion was kind of in the middle, but it was already showing signs of simplification. And then years later Fallout 4 came out and it was clear that Bethesda has no clue what an RPG really is anymore. No meaningful choices with consequences, no unique-feeling player character thanks to a voiced protagonist, and very little control over how you level up with the vast majority of perks being bland stat increases. To say Fallout 4 was a disappointment would be an understatement.I realise the TES and Fallout franchises are very different, but you can clearly see a trend on Bethesda's behalf where they would rather have the game take the player along for a directed theme park ride than let the player actually shape their character's life and even the world.Factions are a big factor in that and it's something I miss in Skyrim now that I'm replaying Morrowind. In Morrowind there were a ton of factions to join, and some of those factions did not like one another. You could join a few, but there would be consequences down the line. Your character could be unique to your particular playthrough depending on your interaction with factions alone. In Skyrim there's very few factions, you can join every single one of them (you can't join both sides of the civil war though, obviously), and no one gives a hoot. It's a meaningless choice that comes down to which quest rewards you want first. In Fallout 4 there's even fewer factions, one of which (Minutemen) is almost completely irrelevant to the entire storyline...I am very concerned that Bethesda is systematically gutting roleplaying elements from their traditionally roleplaying franchises. I am convinced that many people don't buy Skyrim and Fallout 4 because they're lighter and lighter on RPG elements, but that they buy the game in spite of that. Bethesda still builds fantastic worlds, but people want their presence in that world to matter. In the latest Bethesda games that just isn't the case, and I'm worried we'll see the trend continuing for a good while.

  • Bowl Man

    Blood is a f***ing badass last name.But anyways I don't think they should reboot the series, at least not now in time anyway. All we can do is wait for future titles and see how we recieve them and then we can say whether or not they should give the series a fresh new start.

  • Moldy Crow

    When you remember that thing Rita pops out of is a space dumpster

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